[Charliefs22]

I've been a member on here for a few years now & never heard of BDT (or Carlos) before here. I've read a lot of negativity & bashing towards BDT, I've always stayed out of it because I haven't dealt with them firsthand. I've gotten pretty leery of trying them because of things I've read (honestly some self inflected by Carlos). I decided to give them a try & order the CR ignition upgrade...I gotta say I'm pretty impressed by the results.
I started by messaging Carlos on here about my options & which would be best for me, I messaged him ALOT with every question I could think of & he was really good about answering all of them. I finally called him to place the order & ended up talking with him for quite some time about final questions & the install (it was really nice to speak with him instead of text). I had to get the coil mount reworked do to having an LSR frame, it can take up to a week just for shipping from California to me in Wisconsin, so I was really surprised that I received it yesterday by two day mail. Everything was individually bubble wrapped & packaged carefully.
I will definitely call on Carlos & BDT for my future 250R needs, that's again!!

 

[aztecgwynn]

I as well have never had any issues with Carlos or anyone from his staff! He's always been or made himself available to me whenever needed as well. Carlos thanks again.

 

[Burns350R]

Yup Carlos has always done great work for me. The engines run great and when i need a part or want to change something, it happens quickly.

Its to bad all the crap that goes on here. It really just hurts the forums, and i know there are many that want to hurt this forum unfortunately. Alot of the negativity comes from people who have never actually delt with him or anyone at BDT directly . Almost everyone that is against him have band wagoner on a couple bad stories and are only really speaking hearsay and not first hand experience.

No company is perfect, and its easy to get into heated debates on the forums and say things that you shouldn't. I bet anyone of us could be guilty of that. Im not saying that to defend Carlos, hes more than capeable of that himself. Im just saying it as a general statement that what gets said on the forums gets can get out of hand when your emotional. Whether its your business or your passion as a 250R enthusiast.

Everyone needs to calm down take a deep breath and keep moving forward. This disagreement will never be solved.

 

[Charliefs22]

Alot of the negativity comes from people who have never actually delt with him or anyone at BDT directly. Almost everyone that is against him have band wagoner on a couple bad stories and are only really speaking hearsay and not first hand experience

This is exactly why I haven't said anything until now. My opinion about BDT over the years have gone back & forth from reading various threads then I finally decided to give them a real shot & see what happens.

 

[RexRippin]

My bashing of BDT has absolutely nothing to do with me wanting to hurt this forum. This is the only form of social mediaI'm apart of. I check this forum when I wake up, and I'm on it before I go to bed. My problem is that Carlos directly said how poor of a design LED's large tapered intake is, how it's an inferior product to his straight tube design (only to hurt LED's sales), then he goes and uses the same large tapered design. BDT is the only shop I've seen that needs to talk down their competitors product to sell theirs. Go ahead and use the "trumpet' example, but the only thing that is getting blown with no "choopy' lines is smoke up peoples butts.

 

[Charliefs22]

My bashing of BDT has absolutely nothing to do with me wanting to hurt this forum. This is the only form of social mediaI'm apart of. I check this forum when I wake up, and I'm on it before I go to bed. My problem is that Carlos directly said how poor of a design LED's large tapered intake is, how it's an inferior product to his straight tube design (only to hurt LED's sales), then he goes and uses the same large tapered design. BDT is the only shop I've seen that needs to talk down their competitors product to sell theirs. Go ahead and use the "trumpet' example, but the only thing that is getting blown with no "choopy' lines is smoke up peoples butts.

I agree, this is the self inflected negativity I'm referring too & why I've wavered with my opinion.
I went with LED for my cylinder work & purchased their 250C pipe & I'm extremely happy with their work!

 

[jimcarrier]

My bashing of BDT has absolutely nothing to do with me wanting to hurt this forum. This is the only form of social mediaI'm apart of. I check this forum when I wake up, and I'm on it before I go to bed. My problem is that Carlos directly said how poor of a design LED's large tapered intake is, how it's an inferior product to his straight tube design (only to hurt LED's sales), then he goes and uses the same large tapered design. BDT is the only shop I've seen that needs to talk down their competitors product to sell theirs. Go ahead and use the "trumpet' example, but the only thing that is getting blown with no "choopy' lines is smoke up peoples butts.

Gotta agree that his intake versus led one looks really similar... maybe those are one kind of a "bent" sheet metal dat we dont know, but if you look at the picture there is a kink for sure its not all smoot... maybe be "softer" than the led one,,, but man, are we really talking about hp or .01 hp... sorry but i dont have the knowledge to anwser that.

Sure thing bot dont fit my air box so bot are crap for me

 

[Burns350R]

My bashing of BDT has absolutely nothing to do with me wanting to hurt this forum.

Im sorry if thats how it came across, my intention with that post is more toward the people that just make posts to start a war or sling more crap, and dont contribute anything to the forum except bashing of BDT. Some members strictly come here to do that.

BDT is nothing more than a sponsor and supporter for this forum. If you have a problem with them then PM him. Or if you have had bad personal dealings with him and were not able to resolve it, by all means post it. But to just come out of no where and spew a bunch of crap that hardley makes sense, call a bunch of people on this forums names and talk bad about them is not good for the forum. Its childish and serves no real purpose.

BTW I recommend LED all the time when people ask me for opinions and advice. I would gladly run a motor from Arlan. I have spoken to him several times and had several good talks about different two stroke theorys.

Also, i agree that some of the problems are self inflicted.

 

[aztecgwynn]

I still don't understand why one human dislikes another because "an opinion or comment or slogan". I usually go with how someone treats me individually rather than an opinion or word of mouth, but than again if I really dislike someone I just stay away from him or her. But that's my opinion.

 

[flyin_250r]

I personally couldn't care less. He's a site sponsor and has his own section, so when sales pitches get posted in that section, people shouldn't complain. But when every thread turns into one or people always steer people a certain direction, it becomes a bit much. I just stay out of the BS, but can often understand where people are coming from.

 

[Big_Mike]

That's how I see it, BDT is a site sponsor, they pay to advertise and promote here, so why are we even debating?

 

[trx250-86]

Nothing but good from me and my experience with bdt. Carlos has gone out of his way to answer my texts and call me when I have a stupid question on something. I try to stay out of all the teenage girl drama. And I have also use esr and LED, both great companies. Non have done me wrong

 

[trx250-86]

Nothing but good from me and my experience with bdt. Carlos has gone out of his way to answer my texts and call me when I have a stupid question on something. I try to stay out of all the teenage girl drama. And I have also use esr and LED and both great companies. Non have done me wrong

 

[aberegg05]

I'm not considered to be a bdt hater. He's done a lot for 250rs but let me ask you this. Does ESR LED c liegh racing ct duncan bhp or other builder bash on the others work or products?

 

[huskydave]

I'm not considered to be a bdt hater. He's done a lot for 250rs but let me ask you this. Does ESR LED c liegh racing ct duncan bhp or other builder bash on the others work or products?

I think it is kind of sad that he is the only one that does that, I hope that changes soon. I was trying to read about when he acquired the rights to the saber line and posts were getting deleted so fast I couldn't make heads or tails of it. The good things are he helps out guys with questions. I know a kid racing mx blew up a motor (blown crank seal) that he bought used that was built at bdt and Carlos sent him a new motor to finish the year out while his motor was being rebuilt for the next year. I am pretty darn sure he has the best atc pipe out there at the moment and he loves the 250r. I do not like that posts get deleted. I would rather read everything and make up my own mind as to who is right or wrong. If things get out of hand close the thread but leave everything there for us to read.

 

[trx250-86]

And this is the way a thread should go. Civilized and everyone expessing the feeling/concerns. Not just running your mouth like a 12 year old and swearing up a storm.

 

[Scawn]

I'm not considered to be a bdt hater. He's done a lot for 250rs but let me ask you this. Does ESR LED c liegh racing ct duncan bhp or other builder bash on the others work or products?

Besides Carlos and Neil (C-Leigh Racing), how many of the other people that you just named are on the forums saying much of anything? Eddie, Allen, and Loren are not on any forums that I'm aware of. From my understanding, Bubba and Arlan aren't spending near the time on FB that they used to. I think that the way things get taken some times are what cause all of this. Does Carlos think that the way he does things are the best.......absolutely. Does that mean he doesn't respect any of the other builders..........Not at all. As an engine builder / business owner, you should always believe that what you're doing to be the best, otherwise you are knowingly selling an inferior product. At the same time you should always be looking to improve what you do if possible.

With that being said, I don't always agree with what Carlos says or how he says it. But how is it that so many of you can criticize him for supposedly "bashing other's work or products", meanwhile you've made it your life's mission to bash on him for every step he takes. When another supposed "businessman" makes a seat latch that has "BDT Sucks" carved in it, all the haters laughed and hyped it up like it's the funniest thing in the world. But those same people are flocking over here like there's a party going on because Carlos has said something about another companies product that they are unhappy about. Have you all fallen into some sort of holy water bath that made you unquestionably better than the rest of the world or is this really the most purist example of hypocritism to ever be displayed. There are entirely too many of you who only show up to light and watch fireworks and really have absolutely nothing else to offer here.

 

[aberegg05]

Besides Carlos and Neil (C-Leigh Racing), how many of the other people that you just named are on the forums saying much of anything? Eddie, Allen, and Loren are not on any forums that I'm aware of. From my understanding, Bubba and Arlan aren't spending near the time on FB that they used to. I think that the way things get taken some times are what cause all of this. Does Carlos think that the way he does things are the best.......absolutely. Does that mean he doesn't respect any of the other builders..........Not at all. As an engine builder / business owner, you should always believe that what you're doing to be the best, otherwise you are knowingly selling an inferior product. At the same time you should always be looking to improve what you do if possible.

With that being said, I don't always agree with what Carlos says or how he says it. But how is it that so many of you can criticize him for supposedly "bashing other's work or products", meanwhile you've made it your life's mission to bash on him for every step he takes. When another supposed "businessman" makes a seat latch that has "BDT Sucks" carved in it, all the haters laughed and hyped it up like it's the funniest thing in the world. But those same people are flocking over here like there's a party going on because Carlos has said something about another companies product that they are unhappy about. Have you all fallen into some sort of holy water bath that made you unquestionably better than the rest of the world or is this really the most purist example of hypocritism to ever be displayed. There are entirely too many of you who only show up to light and watch fireworks and really have absolutely nothing else to offer here.

If this entire post is directed to me then you've got what I said all wrong. I've never bashed on carlos or his products and I was stating a FACT that carlos BASHES on arlans "choppy" pipe and intakes, ESRs bad cylinder design ect. Also on FB there is no bashing of other builders allowed as per the rules. As for the simply the best slogan. Pretty arrogant in my book. So scawn if your pointing me out for stating an obvious fact then I can see where you stand. Is this site to further the Trx250r or BDT?

 

[Scawn]

If this entire post is directed to me then you've got what I said all wrong. I've never bashed on carlos or his products and I was stating a FACT that carlos BASHES on arlans "choppy" pipe and intakes, ESRs bad cylinder design ect. Also on FB there is no bashing of other builders allowed as per the rules. As for the simply the best slogan. Pretty arrogant in my book. So scawn if your pointing me out for stating an obvious fact then I can see where you stand. Is this site to further the Trx250r or BDT?

No, my post was in response to yours but was aimed at a group. However, if the boot fits you might as well buckle it up and wear it proud instead of backing down now. Don't try playing that, "bashing ain't allowed on FB" tune because everybody has seen people get attacked for even asking or mentioning BDT, so you're a flat out liar for saying anything to the contrary and you know it. You're right, it is against the rules but half of you don't know how to read them, let alone follow them. That's just what happens here which is why things get deleted and people get banned. It's not about sticking up for one person or company, it's about expecting the people to act like adults which some people simply cannot do.

And you really want to bring up the pipe thread again? Maybe you need to go read that again. Here's the link so you don't have to go look for it. He wasn't the one to bring other company names into the thread, but he's going to get criticized because he posted a pic of the BDT pipe next to another pipe to explain why he feels it's better and how much time goes into making which explains the price (which even Arlan himself said was justified). Why do those of you who will NEVER agree with anything Carlos / BDT stands for continue to visit the section of the forums that HE PAYS FOR, only to complain about what he posts there. You've already voiced time and time again that you don't agree with him, so stay away from it and stop complaining. If he changed his motto to, "Simply mediocre", would you quit complaining? Not for a single minute. You will just find something else to complain about because you have absolutely nothing better to do in life. Now that is "Simply pathetic". Oh, and that isn't aimed directly at you aberegg. That's aimed at anyone who knows it fits!

 

[Daniel370r]

We live in Ohio too scawn we should go riding sometime.