[Big_Mike]

Hey guys I wanted your thoughts on this, the high hp guys on the banshee forums run the ambushes and cut out the sections.. Has anyone here done this and what are your experiences and feedback? All input is appreciated even suggest other tires if you feel there are better alternatives!

 

[acecarlos]

On what type of track, or terrain or racing venue, what engine sizes?

That looks like a lot of tire...

Carlos

 

[Big_Mike]

20" tire for my 430, hard rocky terrain, occasional open field blasts, very little mud, and quite a bit of hard packed dirt roads.

On the same note plan on using the same tire on my 7mil banshee.. 20" tire with proper gearing.

 

[Big_Mike]

For sand and snow I have paddle tires for both quads...

 

[Scawn]

I have used the 18x10-8 tire with that same tread pattern but didn't remove any knobs. I can tell you that they are certainly aggressive and very solid tires.

 

[Big_Mike]

So all in all a good tire? I'm going with 20's and I'm going to cut the pair going on my banshee and leave the pair on my trx uncut and compare the traction results. I'll take pics and post back results! Anyone else have a different tire preferences they'd like to share? I only want to know what's working good, lol !!!

 

[Scawn]

So all in all a good tire? I'm going with 20's and I'm going to cut the pair going on my banshee and leave the pair on my trx uncut and compare the traction results. I'll take pics and post back results! Anyone else have a different tire preferences they'd like to share? I only want to know what's working good, lol !!!

I thought they were really good, and I read a lot of good reviews on them before I purchased them as well.

 

[jman2-stroke]

seems like to much space between knobs. Doesnt look like it would be good good for hard packed, a hard terrain dirt bike tires have knobs closer together compared to soft terrain tires. Im no tire pro by any means tho. Maybe like leave two row and remove the third and then leave to and so on?

 

[bulltrx250r]

I used to cut tires with a hot knife back in the day running turf tamers we would cut out every other side knob and also knobss in the pattern what this will do is create a better clean out when in loamy soil and also would do ok for blue groove tracks that are mostly clay. On my cross country quad back in the day i did not remove as many knobs due to rocky and gravel terrain. You really want more knobs for rocky terrain because you chance of mudding up the tires "where the mud sticks inbetween the knobs" will cause you quad to handle like crap is less likely. The mxr6 tire from itp follows the old tread pattern we used to cut ourselves. For regular riding a general all purpose atv tire will do just fine

 

[jadleybray]

There are two applications for this type (cut) tire. Competition hill climb, & 300' clay hard pack track.

 

[Big_Mike]

J, can you elaborate on how a "clay hard pack track" tire should be modified or cut? This is based on 20" ambush tires..

 

[jadleybray]

I have no personal experience on that type surface, and only have seen maybe two tracks with it, not common in the least. I'm only aware orbit from following the drag scene online.

 

[bulltrx250r]

For hard pack knobs dense and clossr togther check out a flat track tire they handle the best on that kind of track

 

[Big_Mike]

So is the reason of the cutting of the knobs a way to give the tire a easier means of cleaning itself better as to not get caked with soil?
When I try to invision a tire in motion getting traction, in my head I see a water wheel on a Mississippi paddle boat. The wheel spins around and grabs/moves water which sets the boat in forward motion, correct? If the wheel had less paddles spaced further apart or more paddles spaced closer togther, which would move the boat quicker given the boat is set at the same rpm and all other things equal.??Am I looking at this right way? Discuss...

Do I but the 20" ambushes and and leave them alone? Or do I remove 1 alternating row? Mind you I'm putting 2 sets of the same exact style and size tire on 2 different quads. I'm curious to see how the tires react "as-is" and with a section of knobbies removed!

 

[jman2-stroke]

So is the reason of the cutting of the knobs a way to give the tire a easier means of cleaning itself better as to not get caked with soil?
When I try to invision a tire in motion getting traction, in my head I see a water wheel on a Mississippi paddle boat. The wheel spins around and grabs/moves water which sets the boat in forward motion, correct? If the wheel had less paddles spaced further apart or more paddles spaced closer togther, which would move the boat quicker given the boat is set at the same rpm and all other things equal.??Am I looking at this right way? Discuss...

Do I but the 20" ambushes and and leave them alone? Or do I remove 1 alternating row? Mind you I'm putting 2 sets of the same exact style and size tire on 2 different quads. I'm curious to see how the tires react "as-is" and with a section of knobbies removed!

Depends. Is your paddle boat on hard packed or loose water lmao? Id leave them along for the riding it sounded like your going to do. And if you want more traction you can try to remove some knobbies.

 

[bulltrx250r]

Think of it in terms of shoes on your feet if your hiking you wear hiking boots if your running on concrete you wear shoes that have more surface area. You wpuldnt wear hiking boots to run a marthon in the city streets if your just riding trails with all diffrent types of terrain you need all around traction on my trail tires i dont cut anything off unless i know the trails im riding have a specific type of terrain.

 

[bulltrx250r]

And yes one of the main reasons for cutting knobs off is to keep mud and clay from building up in your tread. If you tires carry the mud and wont clean out you will have no traction amd actually could hurt yourself in an extreeme circumstance you can have all the power in the world but if you cant put in to the ground with right tire and suspension set up than it worthless. But riding trails you cant get to specific.

 

[Big_Mike]

I got it guys, all making sense to me now! I thought the knobbies were being to removed to "increase" traction yet they are only being removed in an attempt to rid of any caked on dirt to prevent "loss of traction".

 

[etccb]

There are two applications for this type (cut) tire. Competition hill climb, & 300' clay hard pack track.

I agree. It is not really for any other type of riding use mike. Special use only.
imo The exposed carcass is now a lot weaker to rock and debris cutting and puncture danger. A staggering out of every other row if you want to open the factory design up would keep the tire better balanced for forward and side bite feel but I wouldn't advise rows like that.

 

[Big_Mike]

I like the idea of staggering, and I totally understand removing knobbies and exposing bare tire is a recipe for flat tires left and right in the woods!