Ive always heard stock 250r to be at 30-32 hp and torque at 23-25. And with all due respect doing a stock comparison just wouldnt make sense B/c the 450r has like 3-5 hp more and at least 10 or more lbs of tq than the 250 stock vs stock. Just not comparing apples to apples. See what I want to see them do is a test not with stock nor some what modified nor "modified and race ready" as the mags say but 2 seriously fully built race quads that the pros would race not harry homeowners from down the street. Both having comparable numbers at around 60 HP and comparable tq numbers which the magazine had dynoed in house without taking anyones word for it. Im thinking a sphinx 350 or possibly a 363 but I feel a sphinx 350 would be a closer comparison. I don't have anything against the 4 strokers. I may joke and mess with them here and there but I like and respect them too. I would just love to put all the younger generation guys that only know 450's well and that talk soooo much ignorant smack about 2-strokes in their place. 250r's can be comparible to 450's if built correctly with the right cylinder, port job, pipe, and carb from one of the top builders. That would be the shootout to see.